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[14:55]<dzrrjgd>@?
[14:55]<sdnffdxdlld>yeah that means literal string
[14:55]<dzrrjgd>oh ok thanks
[14:55]<kzysvxj>DragonD, I know, but... Is it more easy than C or C++, Python - you name it? :D
[14:58]<zzd2fnz>gaghhh...In VS.NET I just accidentally closed the debug window that shows you the value of the variables you are debugging. how to get it back? cant find it under view mneu
[14:59]<dzrrjgd>gambler: have you tried debug -> windows
[14:59]<dzrrjgd>smellyhippy: umm that didn't work.
[14:59]<dzrrjgd>i'm still getting \\'
[15:00]<zzd2fnz>thats it..t.hx dragon
[15:05]<ljzvrwnw>any bright ideas on hiding things typed into the console, i.e. for masked password entry when using console.readline ?
[15:10]<mjzymygo>mmm... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5251742.stm
[15:13]<ljzvrwnw>oh, and i mean without using dllimport - i've found a couple of examples which are heavily win32-specific
[15:13]<dzrrjgd>OK! this is really pissing me off... evan when i do string q = @"\'";
[15:14]<dzrrjgd>it ends up as "\\'"
[15:14]<cjmgrug>portahex look into ConsoleKeyInfo
[15:15]<kjr>Moridin8: stay away from the partially hydrogenated
[15:15]<ljzvrwnw>yeah, just found something along those lines on msdn blogs
[15:15]<ljzvrwnw>reminds me of my qbasic days
[15:15]<mjzymygo>Kog: *g*
[15:15]<mjzymygo>thanks for the health tip
[15:16]<dzrrjgd>ok so "\\\'" =
[15:16]<kjr>Moridin8: well, so the problem with it is when you go to build a protein or something, the protein is half mutated
[15:16]<kjr>Moridin8: so the half that's supposed to fit fits, the other half is totally bent
[15:17]<kjr>it literally mutates you
[15:17]<mjzymygo>>_<
[15:17]<kjr>oh sweet, tasty mutation
[15:17]<mjzymygo>yay
[15:18]<dzrrjgd>so... \\\' = \\' \\' = \\' if i use @ then \' = \\' \\' = \\' oh and i evan tried string q = @"\" + "\'"; then turns out as \\' WTF is going on?
[15:19]<kjr>you're probably shoving it through something that cleans it
[15:19]<kjr>most methods don't assume literal
[15:19]<kjr>it's a safe bet that anything "safe" will escape
[15:21]<mjzymygo>Caudwell... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/07/phones4u_sale/
[15:21]<mjzymygo>now for the flood of ex workers to hit the UK market
[15:22]<dzrrjgd>ok i got it... the watch window adds the escape chars also.
[15:23]<kjr>well, there you go
[15:23]<kzysvxj>How do I find guides/manuals for C#?
[15:23]<kjr>glad I could solve all your problems for you ;)
[15:23]<kjr>Kristho: very carefully
[15:23]<mjzymygo>Kristho: Amazon?
[15:23]<kzysvxj>Kog, why should i do it carefully?
[15:23]<kjr>Kristho: because it's highly dangerous
[15:24]<cjmgrug>portahex: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=66422 << thats quick and dirty ;)
[15:24]<kjr>Kristho: people have been selling C# books that have been laced with nitroglycerin
[15:24]<mjzymygo>Kristho: if your not careful you will enter an area where "there be dragons"
[15:25]<cjmgrug>hey redear :)
[15:25]<kzysvxj>Ok, it begins to be spooky now :D
[15:26]<kjr>dude, it was spooky when you stepped into the Twiglight Zone
[15:26]<mjzymygo>here is first port of call... http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/
[15:26]<kjr>I'd tell you to run for the door, but Rod Serling is our door man, and he's quite adamant about you staying
[15:26]<mjzymygo>(be careful.... the M$ propaganda mill is dangerous)
[15:26]<cjmgrug>huh?
[15:27]<cjmgrug>which is the Java IDE which comes *closest* to VS2k5 ?
[15:27]<kzysvxj>Moridin8, I know that M$ propaganda is dangerous - I use Linux :D
[15:27]<lcs>CodeRun: eclipse
[15:28]<lcs>CodeRun: actualy, it comes way over vs :)
[15:28]<kjr>Kristho: Linux is Torvoldian propaganda, real people use Unix
[15:28]<cjmgrug>ah i see..
[15:28]<kjr>don't let the Fins tell you what to run on your computer
[15:28]<cjmgrug>its got intellisense and stuff, right?
[15:28]<lcs>CodeRun: yes
[15:28]<kzysvxj>Kog, :D Naah, Linux is good :D
[15:28]<kjr>yes, but Linux is just like the retarded cousin of Unix
[15:28]<lcs>CodeRun: it has build it svn stuff and auto compilation of everything you write :)
[15:29]<rfffgdrgwq19>I run Linux
[15:29]<kjr>while you're at it, just go whole hog
[15:29]<kjr>Appleman1234: no one asked you!
[15:29]<rfffgdrgwq19>so shush
[15:29]<cjmgrug>i see pks. thats cool :)
[15:29]<rfffgdrgwq19>and I use Mono
[15:29]<rfffgdrgwq19>I run only Linux :)
[15:29]<rfffgdrgwq19>Gtk# and QT # :)
[15:29]<lcs>.net + linux = ouch!
[15:29]<mjzymygo>Appleman1234: big whoopie for you
[15:30]<mjzymygo>pks?
[15:30]<rfffgdrgwq19>:)
[15:30]<ljzvrwnw>well, fuck. consolekeyinfo is .net 2.0
[15:30]<lcs>Moridin8: i dont know if current version of mono is any good
[15:30]<mjzymygo>.Net + linux == good idea
[15:30]<kzysvxj>Appleman1234, cool :) Do you know some good mono-guides (C#)
[15:30]<mjzymygo>pks: it's a little quirky, but it's v'good
[15:30]<lcs>Moridin8: but last time i've been using it was horrible
[15:30]<cjmgrug>question : In a simple board game, is it better to use GDI or DirectX for designing the UI ?
[15:30]<lcs>but i was like a year ago, maybe half of year
[15:31]<kjr>pks: it's getting better, they've got a SWF solution now
[15:31]<cjmgrug>portahex : its time for upgrade :)
[15:31]<lcs>CodeRun: i would use gdi
[15:31]<kjr>CodeRun: Mono can't do .NET2
[15:31]<mjzymygo>kog. it can. gmcs compiler
[15:31]<kjr>generics != .NET2
[15:31]<kjr>generics = generics
[15:31]<mjzymygo>it's not prod quality tho
[15:32]<lcs>hm
[15:32]<kjr>just because it can do generics doesn't mean it can do the rest of the new stuff
[15:32]<cjmgrug>hmm.. but atleast its going in the right direction, Kog
[15:32]<lcs>maybe soon it will be worth looking at
[15:32]<mjzymygo>meh...
[15:32]<kjr>CodeRun: generics are probably the least interesting aspect of 2
[15:32]<lcs>but still, i would probably to write usefull stuff in perl :)
[15:32]<kjr>no, I take that back... Partial Classes are the least interesting part

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