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[15:33]<cjmgrug>partial classes are an amazing idea :)
[15:33]<mjzymygj|pxjgn>partial classes are compiler sugar
[15:33]<rfffgdrgwq19>Kristho: http://www.go-mono.com/docs/
[15:33]<kjr>no, partial classes are completely inane
[15:33]<kjr>they aren't interesting in any shape, way or fashion
[15:33]<lcs>what are partial classes?
[15:33]<kjr>pks: spanning a class over multiple logical files
[15:34]<ljzvrwnw>i've been building our next-gen user management stuff on gtk# on mono. doing it in something c-like would take years and be painful in the extreme. perl etc aren't sustainable for large apps. java is icky. i've been suring ahead with development using c#, and i did a degree focused on java
[15:34]<lcs>ah, its .net 2.0
[15:34]<lcs>Kog: ah, this shit, its bad idea
[15:34]<kjr>pks: well, it's really for ASP.NET and people using MSVS
[15:34]<lcs>if your class does not fit into one file, you have design problem
[15:34]<kjr>pks: the big hype is that it's easier to edit ASP.NET stuff, and that the IDE tools can do more (something) stuff
[15:35]<kjr>personally, I think it's the least interesting "Advance" ever
[15:35]<cjmgrug>yeah, but i have never had to use partial classes, in any of my work. Thats another thing :p
[15:35]<ljzvrwnw>sod it. if people want masked passwords, they can use the GUI. i'm only doing a text-based frontend for windows users.
[15:36]<cjmgrug>portahex you can also prolly make a cheap hack for masked passwords in .NET 1.1
[15:36]<kjr>CodeRun: you need interop for it
[15:36]<kjr>but, it's not particularly hard to do
[15:37]<kjr>all the regular resources have tips fori t
[15:37]<ljzvrwnw>i've told monodevelop to use .net 2.0, wonder if it'll get anywhere
[15:37]<kjr>CodeRun: like I said, partial classes are really just not that interesting. They may be useful to someone, somewhere for some reason... but, they're thoroughly uninteresting regardless
[15:37]<cjmgrug>but people dont like console.. they like glassy buttons(provided it doesnt bring along sluggishness )
[15:38]<kjr>people who whine the most for generics are usually people using shitty frameworks
[15:38]<kjr>where you have to cast things billions of times
[15:38]<cjmgrug>ugh
[15:38]<kjr>I do like the idea of more specific contracts though, that's good
[15:39]<ljzvrwnw>people don't like console, but for those using putty from windows without an x-server, there aren't many options
[15:39]<kjr>so generics are at least useful to the metaphor
[15:39]<kjr>not particularly necessary, but nice ;)
[15:39]<kjr>oh, and it got Sun to implement generics in Java5
[15:40]<cjmgrug>heh
[15:40]<kjr>curses?
[15:40]<ljzvrwnw>mono-classlib-2.0 looks encouraging
[15:40]<ljzvrwnw>Kog, there's no curses#, and i'm not p/invoking
[15:40]<ljzvrwnw>or dllimporting
[15:41]<kjr>I'm surprised that Mono has on curses
[15:41]<kjr>s/on/no
[15:42]<cjmgrug>i'm just wondering how beautiful UI's CAN look, if WPF gets it right.. :)))
[15:43]<kjr>CodeRun: vista is purdy
[15:43]<kjr>0600 = sleeptime
[15:44]<ljzvrwnw>hm, it looks like mono-classlib-2.0 has the desired consolekeyinfo stuff - but breaks all my system.web.mail bits
[15:47]<cjmgrug>Purdy : An old person (usually a woman) who wears a lot of lipstick and perfume and likes to pose for pictures.( from urbandictionary.com)
[15:47]<cjmgrug>now i dont think, Kog intended THAT :p
[15:48]<afd>hi redear____, Gozzy, gringod! :)
[15:48]<afd>hi CodeRun!
[15:48]<zzyrzjm>howdy AqD
[15:49]<cjmgrug>hey AqD
[15:56]<ljzvrwnw>nope, even with .net 2, it's not quite right. i'm reverting to my "fuck 'em" approach
[15:57]<axjwmgyggm>Vista is crap
[15:58]<cjmgrug>chowmeined: really? why do you say that?
[15:58]<axjwmgyggm>500MB ram usage on a clean install is not worth it for anything
[15:58]<ljzvrwnw>vista is a mixed bag right now. i'm more interested in it than i thought i'd be after all the cool new tech was axed, but there are some rough edges
[15:59]<axjwmgyggm>anyways.. it doesn't add enough over XP to make it worth it for me
[15:59]<cjmgrug>jwormy!
[15:59]<axjwmgyggm>i can trim it down to 300MB of ram used.. but even still
[16:00]<cjmgrug>yeah, but now, computers are expected to have RAM from 1-4 GB,minimum 1 GB ram ie
[16:01]<axjwmgyggm>that is unacceptable
[16:01]<ljzvrwnw>i really love vista's security dialog stuff. performance leaves a fair bit to be desired though, especially in games
[16:01]<axjwmgyggm>lol
[16:01]<cjmgrug>XP needs about 128 - 256 MB itself
[16:01]<axjwmgyggm>vista adds an extra layer of "Are you sure you want to do that?"
[16:02]<axjwmgyggm>which i suppose is ok for home users unless it really bothers them (like it bothers me)
[16:02]<mufrxnd>What does Vista do with all that space?
[16:03]<axjwmgyggm>but at work.. in a domain environment.. there is no need for that because all the users run as limited users
[16:04]<axjwmgyggm>so i guess we can turn it off
[16:04]<axjwmgyggm>do you know if they are going to bring back the good login screen?
[16:04]<cjmgrug>what? they
[16:04]<cjmgrug>'ve taken it out?
[16:04]<axjwmgyggm>you know
[16:04]<axjwmgyggm>the classic login screen (windows 2000) or windows XP in a domain
[16:05]<axjwmgyggm>you cant set it to that in vista
[16:05]<cjmgrug>i like that screensaver-looking login screen
[16:06]<axjwmgyggm>that stuff kills the video cards on 1/4 of our computers
[16:06]<cjmgrug>heh
[16:34]<nffylsys_>hello
[16:34]<nffylsys_>I've got a form running where one has a choice of buttons
[16:34]<afd>hi ellipsis_!
[16:34]<nffylsys_>now, one of these buttons starts a wizard
[16:35]<nffylsys_>and this wizard is a new form
[16:35]<axjwmgyggm>what is the problem?
[16:35]<nffylsys_>now, I want the button form to remain visible after the new form starts up, but it should not respond to button clicks
[16:35]<nffylsys_>or any other events
[16:35]<nffylsys_>how do I do this?
[16:35]<gjrvcxnne>use showdialog to show the new form
[16:35]<gjrvcxnne>instead of show
[16:38]<nffylsys_>it says Form that is already visible cannot be displayed as a modal dialog box. Set the form's visible property to false before calling showDialog.
[16:38]<gjrvcxnne>yeah, then do that then
[16:39]<gjrvcxnne>after instanciating it (wizardForm myForm = new wizardForm();) don't set myForm.Visible to true, and just use myForm.ShowDialog() when you want to display it (after you've setup any initial properties, if there are any)
[16:41]<cjmgrug>hey, GoatCheez, what up?
[16:41]<nffylsys_>NewProjectWiz tempwiz = new NewProjectWiz();
[16:41]<nffylsys_> ShowDialog( tempwiz );
[16:41]<nffylsys_>this is my code
[16:41]<gjrvcxnne>y0
[16:41]<gjrvcxnne>no, you do tempwiz.ShowDialog
[16:41]<axjwmgyggm>yes
[16:41]<gjrvcxnne>ShowDialog is a member function of the form class
[16:42]<nffylsys_>oh
[16:42]<gjrvcxnne>ShowDialof(tempwiz) is not the same code as tempwiz.ShowDialog();
[16:42]<nffylsys_>okay

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