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[01:17]<kjr>erm, .com
[01:17]<kjr>there's an open MIT compilation, or was before it was deprecated
[01:17]<dyguw>okay
[01:17]<kjr>rob-wrk: Zimmerman only said it was "pretty good" for a reason
[01:17]<kjr>rob-wrk: because he's a skeptic
[01:17]<dyguw>I remember that I used PGP in like 1998 to encrypt my diary :D
[01:17]<zj2-wzc>pgp has been de-facto open source since Phil Zimmerman's friend posted it online in the early 80s.
[01:17]<sljjcn>who can suggest me where to find a good class to make pfd?
[01:17]<zj2-wzc>90s
[01:18]<ymuggjt0tnt>you mean it wasnt phil zimmerman's idea to make PGP OSS?
[01:18]<kjr>PGP is also more than encrypting tet
[01:18]<kjr>s/tet/text
[01:18]<zj2-wzc>Hell they used to get over the export restrictions by _printing_ the source code as a book, fedexing it outside the US and scanning it back in. ;)
[01:18]<ymuggjt0tnt>yeah pgp is a full stack .. encrypted drives, built-in outlook, msn, etc
[01:19]<kjr>rob-wrk: except for the fact that there were 3 publically available copies not written in the US
[01:19]<zj2-wzc>idunno50595: I am sure he fully supports it being open source, but he was not the one to let it out into the wild.
[01:19]<kjr>idunno50595: no, that's the PGP suite... PGP itself is also about identity
[01:19]<kjr>a certificate allows you to encrypt things, but in theory uniquely identifies you
[01:19]<kjr>that's why signatures are valid
[01:20]<ymuggjt0tnt>oh i thought you meant the program not the concept
[01:20]<dyguw>Jesus, all this crpto talk and you can't tell me how to create a x509 cert? :P
[01:20]<kjr>there's also an assertion implied that you go through more trouble to keep it secure
[01:20]<kjr>minux: if you would use MSDN, or google I'm sure you'd figure it out
[01:20]<ymuggjt0tnt>the problem is that you have to trust the certificate initially
[01:20]<dyguw>Kog: I've tried google, that only told me to use openssl which I don't have since I run Windows.
[01:20]<kjr>idunno50595: that's why you do initial web blocks in perosn
[01:20]<kjr>person
[01:21]<ymuggjt0tnt>minux: lies, you can get openssl for windows
[01:21]<kjr>minux: you can get openssl on windows...
[01:21]<ymuggjt0tnt>yeah good luck getting someone's certificate in person :P
[01:21]<dyguw>Kog: I'd prefer to only run Microsoft software on this machine. :)
[01:21]<kjr>...
[01:21]<ymuggjt0tnt>though if you're that worried about security you probably can
[01:21]<dyguw>There must be a Microsoft tool to create such certificates somewhere.
[01:21]<kjr>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-US/library/system.security.cryptography.x509certificates.aspx
[01:21]<ymuggjt0tnt>i like otr more myself cause its anonymous :-D
[01:22]<ymuggjt0tnt>errr, i meant private
[01:22]<ymuggjt0tnt>microsoft only says teh guy whose named after a free os ;)
[01:23]<kjr>what the hell are you talking about?
[01:23]<dyguw>Kog: I've read that, it doesn't mention how to actually create the certificate :)
[01:24]<dyguw>Kog: And since it's going to be used in end-user software I would like to have an easier tool than openssl shipped with the application.
[01:24]<kjr>if you wrap OpenSSL it'll be fine
[01:24]<kjr>interop it
[01:25]<ymuggjt0tnt>yeah just ship it with a local copy of openssl
[01:25]<kjr>why not
[01:25]<kjr>you could use makecert.exe too I suppose
[01:25]<dyguw>Yay! I knew there had to be a Microsoft tool for it :D
[01:25]<dyguw>Thanks!
[01:25]<kjr>minux: it's labeled "only use this for testing"
[01:26]<dyguw>bah
[01:26]<kjr>I don't see why he wouldn't want to s hip openssl
[01:27]<dyguw>I'll ship openssl then :)=
[01:27]<dyguw>:)
[01:28]<-- svgvsdyzgjvr__ xr>/dev/null")
[01:29]<sdyzgjv>how do you get a cloak?
[01:30]<dyguw>smirnov: join #freenode and talk to an op.
[01:30]<dyguw>smirnov: or read the freenode FAQ
[01:30]<cjmgrug>whats so cool about getting a cloak?
[01:30]<dyguw>dunno
[01:30]<dyguw>I've got a cloak though :)
[01:31]<sdyzgjv>well there you go then
[01:31]<sjgvnc>i'm all about the no cloak
[01:32]<cjmgrug>does it like grant your supernatural powers or something of that sort? :p
[01:32]<dyguw>no
[01:32]<cjmgrug>you*
[01:32]<dyguw>it just hides your hostname
[01:32]<cjmgrug>heh
[01:32]<sdyzgjv>its a magic cloak of invisibility +1
[01:32]<dyguw>or says if you are a freenode sponsor
[01:32]<cjmgrug>coughTORcough
[01:32]<dyguw>yeah :)
[01:32]<sdyzgjv>thats missing the point
[01:32]<pz2>I really wish I had a way to quickly jump around my source code in visual studio
[01:32]<dyguw>frb: like how?
[01:32]<sdyzgjv>frb: like bookmarks?
[01:32]<cjmgrug>frb, use bookmarks
[01:33]<sdyzgjv>beat you to the punch ;)
[01:33]<pz2>bookmarks would be ok, but I'd rather just have a big fat outline
[01:33]<dyguw>frb: classview
[01:33]<cjmgrug>i'm downloading a big file , so lagging :p
[01:33]<pz2>maybe Visual Web Developer Express doesn't do that
[01:33]<sdyzgjv>classview ?
[01:33]<dyguw>I don't like the Class View in VS .NET 2005, i prefer the one in VS 6.0
[01:34]<sljjcn>vs 6 has a class view???
[01:34]<dyguw>yeah
[01:34]<pz2>I guess I have to live with bookmarks, the classview doesnt seem to work on .js files
[01:35]<pz2>bbiab
[01:36]<sljjcn>where is it minux?
[01:36]<sljjcn>i have vs6 enterprise installed...
[01:37]<dyguw>It's there somewhere
[01:37]<sljjcn>how it's called?
[01:37]<dyguw>Dunno, haven't used 6.0 in years but I remember I used it alot.
[01:38]<sljjcn>i used vb6 for may years but never heard about it!
[01:38]<sdyzgjv>minux: I joined #freenode and it wont let me talk ;(
[01:40]<dyguw>smirnov: No, you'll have to wait for them to give you voice :)
[01:40]<dyguw>http://www-06.ibm.com/jp/software/data/developer/library/techdoc/i/adtool02.jpg
[01:40]<dyguw>It's on the left. ClassView
[01:41]<sdyzgjv>thats evil
[01:41]<dyguw>Spooke: ^^
[01:42]<sljjcn>for this i never heard about that... it's a vc++ component!

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