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[05:47]<pzjdyv>and what breaks? not the mesh stuff, not the shaders, not the rather complex terrain system
[05:47]<pzjdyv>the damned frustum culling is broken
[05:47]<sxyg-rr>if i get good with the graphics working and shit ill pay to do that :)
[05:48]<sxyg-rr>i want the playstation 3 to come out :(
[05:48]<sxyg-rr>but $499 :O
[05:49]<bjv_buyfmnz>Promit - "creator's club" lets you actually play the games you make on the xbox
[05:49]<pzjdyv>the whole distribution story for the xbox side is jacked up right now
[05:49]<bjv_buyfmnz>I'll probably port my engine to it at some point
[05:50]<pzjdyv>well i was on MDX 2, so...
[05:50]<pzjdyv>had i been on MDX 1.1, there wouldn't have been any particular pressure to switch
[05:50]<bjv_buyfmnz>ah. Yeah, I'm on 1.1 I think
[05:51]<pzjdyv>it's a very new codebase, and small as well
[05:51]<pzjdyv>i moved to managed code from unmanaged in january, and a combination of school and work have prevented me from making terribly substantial progress
[05:51]<bjv_buyfmnz>Mine's probably smaller. All it needs to do is draw 2d textured triangles
[05:51]<pzjdyv>yeah that's probably smaller
[05:51]<bjv_buyfmnz>:)
[05:52]<bjv_buyfmnz>though I plan on doing shaders and effects at some point
[05:52]<bjv_buyfmnz>graphics just isn't the focus
[05:52]<sxyg-rr>is there a site that teaches you the full xna/directx or you have to buy a C# xna book?
[05:52]<pzjdyv>seeing as how XNA came out today
[05:52]<pzjdyv>the answer is no and no
[05:52]<sxyg-rr>well directx :P
[05:52]<pzjdyv>i learned everything that was released today in about an hour
[05:52]<pzjdyv>but i've been working with MDX for a while
[05:52]<pzjdyv>and DX for 4 years or something
[05:53]<sxyg-rr>what did you need to know to program for the old xbox through a modchip?
[05:53]<pzjdyv>there's an Open XDK project that isn't capable of much
[05:53]<pzjdyv>i never really looked into it
[05:53]<bjv_buyfmnz>Does XNA have nice convenience functions for creating the rendering context?
[05:53]<pzjdyv>yes
[05:54]<pzjdyv>you don't have to deal with it, at all
[05:54]<bjv_buyfmnz>cool. I'd imagine i'd have to to support xbox
[05:54]<bjv_buyfmnz>*i'd = it'd
[05:55]<sxyg-rr>Prompit was it old C++ or VC++?
[05:56]<pzjdyv>i don't understand what you're askig
[05:57]<pzjdyv>what is "old" C++?
[05:57]<zzxzsvnz>"old" C++ ...?
[05:57]<zzxzsvnz>o.O
[05:58]<vjnv>Shin-Ra: did it break on you by chance?
[05:59]<sxyg-rr>C++ or Visual C++
[05:59]<sxyg-rr>no
[05:59]<sxyg-rr>toNt,
[05:59]<vjnv>okay :)
[05:59]<pzjdyv>Visual C++ is an IDE, and C++ is a language
[05:59]<zzxzsvnz>yeah
[05:59]<sxyg-rr>well managed C++
[06:00]<sxyg-rr>it doesn't make a difference :P
[06:00]<vjnv>would anyone else like to try my program and hopefully help find where this bug on first starting it is? :)
[06:00]<pzjdyv>programming the xbox, either with the official dev kit, or with the useless open dev kit, is straight C++
[06:00]<sxyg-rr>oh ok
[06:01]<sxyg-rr>now its in C#
[06:01]<sxyg-rr>:)
[06:01]<pzjdyv>well commercial dev on the 360 is still C++
[06:01]<sxyg-rr>i wonder what it'd be like if it was in vb.net
[06:01]<pzjdyv>and will almost certainly stay that wya
[06:01]<pzjdyv>Shin-Ra, before or after the riots?
[06:01]<sxyg-rr>i can easily learn C++ again just for that :)
[06:01]<sxyg-rr>whatcha mean?
[06:02]<sxyg-rr>oh the vb.net users bitching about dx and/or xna not being in vb.net?
[06:02]<pzjdyv>no, everyone else bitching that they had to use vb
[06:02]<sxyg-rr>didn't hear about that
[06:02]<pzjdyv>... <Shin-Ra> i wonder what it'd be like if it was in vb.net
[06:02]<pzjdyv>i was answering that.
[06:03]<sxyg-rr>oh
[06:03]<sxyg-rr>toNt, now it did
[06:03]<sxyg-rr>i get error reading the news or something like that
[06:04]<sxyg-rr>damn
[06:04]<sxyg-rr>i only have 124MB of ram left out of 1024MB :(
[06:04]<sxyg-rr>ver since i opened the dxsdk
[06:04]<sxyg-rr>ever*
[06:05]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>you can use vb to write dx
[06:05]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>you can even use javascript for some parts of dx
[06:05]<sxyg-rr>javascript ha
[06:06]<sxyg-rr>vb.net with dx is a joke :P
[06:06]<bjv_buyfmnz>vb with anything is a joke :P
[06:06]<sxyg-rr>true true
[06:06]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>why DONT people like vb? ive seen a lot of vb code, but never used it
[06:06]<sxyg-rr>its weak :P
[06:07]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>it seems to be a reasonable language for winsows gui programming
[06:07]<sxyg-rr>winsows?
[06:07]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>what, youve never made a typo?
[06:07]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>i think you know what i meant
[06:07]<sxyg-rr>lol
[06:07]<sxyg-rr>damn 64mb of ram :(
[06:08]<sxyg-rr>i remember when my old pc only had 80mb of ram :(
[06:08]<sxyg-rr>i feel like installing Windows 3.1 on vmware
[06:09]<sxyg-rr>ah my first windows ever :P
[06:10]<sxyg-rr>with those use floppy disks
[06:10]<sxyg-rr>huge*
[06:11]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>my first pc was also 3.1
[06:11]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>old ass piece of shit os
[06:11]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>:)
[06:12]<wxrvs_yg_r_grdn>ive had 3.1, 98, 2k, xp
[06:12]<sxyg-rr>i was still using 3.1 when 98se was out :P
[06:26]<sxyg-rr>is it a womans national rule to not shut up after someone asks them nicely?
[06:28]<zgzzcygnv>my first pc was DOS 4.something, i think
[06:28]<zgzzcygnv>might have been 6.22 but i don't think so
[06:34]<sxyg-rr>if i type something into a textbox. how can I have it inserted into a box on a newline?
[06:36]<sxyg-rr>well a multiline textbox
[06:43]<sxyg-rr>?

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