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[23:16]<dbq>rofl
[23:16]<dbq>kde programs run on gnome
[23:16]<pzggjgg1000>Er. It *should*.
[23:16]<zyjvnz>DB2 if you have qt installed
[23:16]<pz2>uname doesn't say the distro, it says the kernel
[23:16]<zyjvnz>which his distro didnt
[23:16]<dbq>if you dont, the deps get install automatically
[23:16]<pzggjgg1000>Mine clearly displays Debian GNU/Linux. When I was on linspire, the piece of corperate crap, it said linspire GNU/Linux...
[23:16]<pz2>I use to work as a linux build engineer for Ximian/Novell
[23:17]<dbq>The Ubuntu project has released a second Knot CD — an alpha version of Edgy Eft. Notable new features include a new 2.6.17 kernel, Gnome 2.16 beta 2, Firefox 2.0b1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.3 and much more.
[23:17]<dbq>yummy
[23:17]<pz2>Linux chundol 2.6.13-15.11-default #1 Mon Jul 17 09:43:01 UTC 2006 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:17]<pz2>what's that?
[23:17]<zyjvnz>wow new version numbers no NORMAL user will care about
[23:17]<pzggjgg1000>And this is why I run debian unstable. I'm already running a 2.8 kernel.
[23:17]<pzggjgg1000>frb: A user-compiled kernel...
[23:17]<zyjvnz>or understand
[23:17]<lcs>freeone3000: probably your hostname was linspire :>
[23:17]<jusvygc>The other problem with Linux is that it's been forked so much =P
[23:17]<pz2>freeone3000, nope, it's a SuSE 10.0 x86_64 default kernel with updates
[23:18]<jusvygc>Ubuntu? Slackware? Redhat? Which should we use?
[23:18]<dbq>depends on who you are
[23:18]<lcs>JustinC: i stick to ubuntu
[23:18]<dbq>i've got a minimal slackware dist running on a pc104 for development
[23:18]<dbq>ubuntu on desktop
[23:18]<dbq>and gentoo on server
[23:18]<zyjvnz>gentoo on a server is such a stupid idea
[23:18]<jusvygc>If those are the ones I should use, why are there so many other distributions?
[23:18]<jusvygc>Why do people never agree about which one is the right one?
[23:18]<dbq>anybody tried windows vista RC1 yet ?
[23:18]<vuwyluwy>gentoo on server is just plain stupid
[23:18]<pz2>Linux $hostnamehidden 2.6.9-11.EL #1 Wed Jun 8 16:59:52 CDT 2005 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[23:18]<zyjvnz>yes
[23:18]<pz2>what's that?
[23:18]<pzggjgg1000>JustinC: Because each one is good for diffrent needs.
[23:19]<dbq>JustinC: freedom of choice, it's not something with the wrong mind-set (microsoft-one) can get
[23:19]<pz2>DB2, not yet, it should be on it's way in the mail to me
[23:19]<jusvygc>We're talking about software ... why can't one distro be good for all needs?
[23:19]<zyjvnz>DB2 um, lets see
[23:19]<lcs>JustinC: people have different needs
[23:19]<zyjvnz>linux is struggeling to make it onto the desktop
[23:19]<pzggjgg1000>JustinC: Because some needs are contradictory.
[23:19]<jusvygc>Needs like what? A need is met by a piece of software, right?
[23:20]<zyjvnz>microsoft owns majority market share, USERS DONT WANT CHOICE
[23:20]<jusvygc>freeone3000: Oh. Like what?
[23:20]<lcs>JustinC: its like with cars, some people like to have fast ones, other ones like to have ones with big capacity
[23:20]<lcs>JustinC: you cannot combine both ;p
[23:20]<jusvygc>pks: That's not a good analogy though, because it doesn't hodl in the software world.
[23:20]<pz2>but, one manufacturer can make both
[23:20]<jusvygc>The software analogy would be to need two different programs -- include them both and users can pick!
[23:20]<lcs>JustinC: why not? some want to have evetyhing is prebuilt packages, other ones like to use src packages
[23:20]<pz2>one person gets the viper, another the neon, another the pt cruiser... all of them are from Daimler-Chrylser
[23:20]<vuwyluwy>ok for a change an ontopic question: which is the property to enable the display of columns in a list view?
[23:21]<jusvygc>pks: Both can be included in a Linux distro though and the user can pick which to install.
[23:21]<vufvuzn>JustinC: Not really - what makes/breaks a distro is the package management - the applications themselves are available on most/all distros
[23:21]<vufvuzn>so the issue is how the packages are managed & released
[23:21]<lcs>JustinC: true
[23:21]<vufvuzn>different formats/tools to manage them, different release cycles, policies & philosophies
[23:21]<dbq>JustinC: didnt you say you are uneducated regarding to linux befoer ?
[23:21]<dbq>before
[23:21]<pz2>tuxipuxi, dunno, I play with the gui options for that
[23:21]<jusvygc>DB2: I don't know, what do you think? :)
[23:21]<dbq>http://winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_rc1_best.asp
[23:21]<vuwyluwy>frb, i do too but i can't find it in #develop :/
[23:22]<lcs>JustinC: somehow i dont have problem with thinking why there is not ultimate distro ;p
[23:22]<pz2>tuxipuxi, oh, I use Web Developer Express
[23:22]<jusvygc>tuxipuxi: Did you send me that dollar yet over paypal?
[23:22]<lcs>JustinC: i just use what suits me
[23:22]<vuwyluwy>JustinC, no, i need your paypal address
[23:22]<pz2>anyway, my data is copied, I'm done
[23:22]<jusvygc>tuxipuxi: oh, I was joking. Gimme a second
[23:22]<zyjvnz>the one thing ubuntu does that im impressed with, is real time support with out the person helping you suggesting you may be homosexual for chosing that software package
[23:23]<dbq>welp, this is an MS baised channel :)
[23:24]<lcs>rioter: hehehe
[23:24]<dbq>altough i must say the level of support here is usually better then #java :)
[23:24]<dgndj>in C++ i use vector<blah> when I need fast random access and I use list<blah> when I need fast insert/deletes... what types are the C# equivalent of those two?
[23:24]<txnjzd>DB2: I know, I was shocked, *shocked* when I realised.
[23:24]<lcs>mnemo: ArrayList
[23:24]<zyjvnz>mnemo arraylist
[23:24]<txnjzd>mnemo: there is List<T> and LinkedList<T>
[23:25]<dgndj>aha ok thank you guys
[23:25]<y-gz>not all of us are MS fanboys :)
[23:25]<zyjvnz>i fail to see whats wrong with being a MS fan
[23:25]<jusvygc>DB2: That's because Java sucks =P
[23:25]<y-gz>nothing wrong of course
[23:25]<zyjvnz>and DB2 arguments seem to be based in a crack induced reality, rather than reality
[23:26]<txnjzd>May I invoke Godwin's law and end the conversation?
[23:26]<dbq>fan ok, fanboy.. :)
[23:26]<lcs>go ahead
[23:26]<zyjvnz>want to talk about what i saw last night!
[23:26]<txnjzd>You are all Nazis!
[23:26]<txnjzd>There, done.
[23:26]<zyjvnz>its fun!
[23:27]<lcs>rioter: if its about girl go ahead
[23:27]<lcs>;p
[23:27]<jusvygc>girls?
[23:27]<dbq>Theory: wtf ??
[23:27]<jusvygc>there are no girls on the intarweb!!1
[23:27]<zyjvnz>pks no, just a brilliant example of stupidity
[23:27]<lcs>rioter: that's also fun, go ahead ;p

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