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[14:00]<rfprrruyr>liquiem: that's why we ~platform ;)
[14:00]<2ggaz_>i try to aviod it at all costs and cut corners if i ahve to lol
[14:00]<fyfuynd>ElPenguin, hehe true :)
[14:00]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: well if you're using gentoo, cutting corners isn't a good idea
[14:00]<dj9cxzysv>do that and you may as well be using some dependency hell binary distro
[14:00]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: oh, and i recommend you start tipping emerge --buildpkg or add it to your FEATURES variable. that way you can quickly restore a borked system from binary backups compiled to your flags
[14:01]<rfprrruyr>DJ4Christ: ever read that thing about 'emerge hell'? ;)
[14:01]<dj9cxzysv>ElPenguin, no I haven't
[14:01]<2ggaz_>ElPenguin: you lost me a bit there lol
[14:02]<nzzzmz>Can you recommend an irc daemon? It must be easily configurable unlike dancer.
[14:02]<rfprrruyr>DJ4Christ: some guy just said `yeah, well we've all had rpm hell, but all these new hells are buzzwords. I can just say `i'm having emerge hell`, and whaddya know, suddenly emerge hell becomes a known phrase`
[14:03]<dj9cxzysv>lol ElPenguin
[14:03]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: emerge --buildpkg packagename. it will build a binary package. when you want to reinstall the same package, you just emerge -k package and it will install from the binary = saves compiling time
[14:03]<dj9cxzysv>yea but least with portage its slims down the possibility of going through hell
[14:03]<b-mygus>hello
[14:04]<b-mygus>any good tools to check wireless availability ?
[14:04]<rfprrruyr>DJ4Christ: oh i dunno, it's hell either way. if you don't ~platform, you've got hell trying to install anything, and if you do, well your system ends up borked soon enough
[14:04]<2ggaz_>ElPenguin: my understanding it id onyl want to re-emerge a same package if im chnaged some use flags for it, and with chnaged use flags wont that need to be recompiled
[14:04]<dj9cxzysv>true there ElPenguin
[14:04]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: yes, but it's for say if you want to reinstall. you'd put all those on a disc and then just emerge them straight from there. no compiling time, have a whole system ready in about 10 mins
[14:05]<rfprrruyr>DJ4Christ: i had 3 gentoo installs in 2 weeks break on reiser (won't be doing that again for a long time), that's when i learnt the usefulness of --buildpkg
[14:05]<2ggaz_>ElPenguin: how much disk space might i need for this?
[14:06]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: not a lot. my entire system in packages is < 1GB, and i've got everything going, including about 14 different window managers and desktops
[14:07]<2ggaz_>cant see myself needing it, but its probably best to use it, then il never need it :p
[14:08]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: better safe than sorry. i've had this system a couple of months now, and i don't see anything going majorly wrong that i can't fix, but it's nice as peace of mind
[14:08]<2ggaz_>ElPenguin: based ont hat logic im bound to need it, stuff goes wrong with me all the time
[14:08]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: you learn more each time something goes wrong, it's part of the experience
[14:09]<2ggaz_>so id just use it like emerge --buildpkg -uDNav world?
[14:09]<rfprrruyr>yes
[14:09]<rfprrruyr>however, i tire of that, so i just added FEATURES="buildpkg" to my make.conf
[14:09]<2ggaz_>that turns it on by default?
[14:09]<rfprrruyr>yes
[14:10]<[lyguw]>join #windrop
[14:10]<[lyguw]>erf
[14:10]<2ggaz_>i dont see a "features" in my make.conf
[14:10]<rfprrruyr>by which i mean about 10 minutes ;)
[14:10]<rfprrruyr>no, you just add it
[14:10]<rfprrruyr>FEATURES="buildpkg"
[14:10]<gyvzrd_>when doing emerge -av dev-lang/php , it tries to emerge xorg-x11-6.8.2-r7 which i dont need and some other x11 stuff, how can i get rid of these ?
[14:11]<fgjgoq>hi
[14:11]<rfprrruyr>nitram, emerge -tv and check the use flags
[14:12]<mnvrpxrnn>why is there so much of a difference when i compile and install e16 myself and when portage does it?
[14:12]<gyvzrd_>ElPenguin i already have opengl -ldap -gnome -qt -alsa -dvd -cdr -X -gtk -gtk2 -kde -X in the use flags
[14:12]<2ggaz_>aborting my emerge world wont corrupt anything will it?
[14:12]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: nope
[14:12]<dj9cxzysv>do emerge --resume to start where you left off
[14:12]<rfprrruyr>nitram_: just see that and check what use flags it IS using
[14:14]<rfprrruyr>nitram_: and i recommend emerging flagedit for making quick changes to what flags it will compile with
[14:14]<[wan]rfjwdjr>hi all
[14:15]<2ggaz_>ElPenguin: forgive me for being rude but cna you tell em what i need to do to get my system upto date and my new use flags working, ill rtfm once its compiling, i just dont want to waste time
[14:15]<[wan]rfjwdjr>whats wrong is kill -9 <pid> doesnt kill the process ?
[14:15]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: emerge --sync && emerge -uv world
[14:16]<dj9cxzysv>I use emerge -uDN world myself
[14:16]<rfprrruyr>[WAN]GlowDog: tried killall ?
[14:16]<2ggaz_>ElPenguin: -uv ? i dont need the -uDNav that i had before?
[14:17]<rfprrruyr>DJ4Christ: i always go -tuv, change some flags until they don't change packages and then uD
[14:17]<wusxy>anyone knows if 802.1X works on L2 or L3 ?
[14:18]<rfprrruyr>benjr_: you only need the u, really. the a = ask, the D = this could break gcc and you won't be able to fix that easily, the v = lots of output and ai don't know what N is
[14:18]<dj9cxzysv>N is Newuse
[14:18]<rfprrruyr>DJ4Christ: oh right. isn't the implied by the fact you're updating?
[14:19]<dj9cxzysv>naww I've been told to use during a fresh install
[14:19]<2ggaz_>DJ4Christ: would i need ot use N if ive chnaged my gloabal use flags?
[14:19]<dj9cxzysv>some people use N all the time
[14:20]<dj9cxzysv>if you take the N out the downloads change
[14:20]<[wan]rfjwdjr>ElPenguin : nope, cause I dont want to kill all processes of that program
[14:20]<rfprrruyr>DJ4Christ: i think i'm going to start doing that, actually... What I could really do with is an emerge -uDvNa system, but naturally i don't want to spend time fixing thigns
[14:20]<rfprrruyr>[WAN]GlowDog: does it report any error?
[14:21]<[wan]rfjwdjr>ElPenguin : nope, just doesnt kill it :S
[14:21]<rfprrruyr>[WAN]GlowDog: *shrugs*
[14:22]<mnvrpxrnn>where can i go to read more info on a driver in the kernel... the help in menu/x config is not enough
[14:22]<mnvrpxrnn>anyone?
[14:22]<rfprrruyr>and am I the only one that starts emerging things then opens another term and does an emerge fetch of the same package list?
[14:22]<[wan]rfjwdjr>ElPenguin : my reaction idem dito :}
[14:22]<dj9cxzysv>ElPenguin, I don't do it
[14:23]<rfprrruyr>DJ4Christ: *shrugs* when it's big packages it means i get my goodies a bit quicker :)
[14:23]<mnvrpxrnn>ElPenguin, what exaclty do you mean... i emerge several things at once but i'm not sure what your getting at
[14:23]<dj9cxzysv>MetaPhaze, he means running to emerges at once
[14:23]<rfprrruyr>MetaPhaze: eg. i could emerge gnome, then i'd go emerge -f gnome in another terminal
[14:23]<dj9cxzysv>2*
[14:24]<mnvrpxrnn>ElPenguin, emerge -f?
[14:24]<rfprrruyr>so that all the downloads were being done while it was compiling, not wasting time
[14:24]<rfprrruyr>MetaPhaze: fetch-only
[14:24]<rfprrruyr>when it's something as big as gnome, it makes a good difference
[14:24]<2ggaz_>ElPenguin: hey that sounds liek it might suit me, since im on 56k and all
[14:24]<mnvrpxrnn>ElPenguin, ahh... i just use distcc on 4 machines here and wooom it goes
[14:25]<dj9cxzysv>benjr_, man I feel sorry for ya
[14:25]<mnvrpxrnn>that and high speed internet
[14:25]<mzzvxvzmnz>hi guyz..i need help i want to build a hardened gentoo server..to host my DNS, proxy and IDS servers..i'm installing right. i'm confuse which stage i'll use..do i use the stage3-x86-hardened-2.6-2006.0.tar.bz2 or stage3-i686-2006.0.tar.bz2, please advice
[14:25]<rfprrruyr>MetaPhaze: /me slobbers
[14:25]<rfprrruyr>DarthVader: what's your machine spec?
[14:25]<mnvrpxrnn>where can i go to read more info on a driver in the kernel... the help in menu/x config is not enough
[14:25]<dj9cxzysv>stage3-i686-2006.0.tar.bz2 is what I'm thinking
[14:25]<rfprrruyr>DarthVader: specifically the processor type
[14:26]<mnvrpxrnn>ElPenguin, guess i'll encorporate that emerge -f trick to make it even faster :P
[14:26]<mzzvxvzmnz>ElPenguin, uname: i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz GenuineIntel and 378M memory. 4 Gig Hardrive
[14:26]<rfprrruyr>MetaPhaze: it makes a real difference because you don't have to stop compilation in order to d/l $big_package
[14:27]<rfprrruyr>DarthVader: then get the i686 one
[14:27]<mzzvxvzmnz>ElPenguin, on the stage3-x86-hardened-2.6-2006.0.tar.bz2 or stage3-i686-2006.0.tar.bz?
[14:27]<mnvrpxrnn>ElPenguin, i even compile my kernels distcc :D
[14:27]<rfprrruyr>DarthVader: the i686 one

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