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[09:07]<mzzcl>TML: I've just spent hours browsing through it ;)
[09:07]<suv9w9>I need a tool to generate lots of bogus data in a MySQL table (for example generate me 1000 users in table users). Do you know of any such tool?
[09:07]<tml>MarkL: Oh. Yeah...I did a bad thing there. :)
[09:07]<tml>rm
[09:08]<mzzcl>TML: What happened to the IE/Firefox thang?
[09:08]<tml>MarkL: rm
[09:08]<mzzcl>heh
[09:08]<tml>I've got it backed up to CD, but I haven't cared enough to go dig it up
[09:08]<tml>Mainly because no one ever visits my site. :)
[09:08]<tml>MarkL: http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/Core
[09:08]<mzzcl>suv4x4: Could you not just whip up a quiick PHP script ? One while loop should do it ;)
[09:09]<mzzcl>TML: Ah
[09:09]<tml>MarkL: You'll see a commented "<link>" line, that has "http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/Core/"
[09:09]<tml>MarkL: You append one of the choices from the following line after the /
[09:09]<tml>I just hate having to go look them up, so I carry them around in HTML comments everywhere. :)
[09:09]<mzzcl>Ah, makes sense now
[09:10]<suv9w9>MarkL, I could but we're talking tens of tables with various data requirements.. Is there such a script already?
[09:10]<mzzcl>suv4x4: Not that I know of, no, but that doesn't mean there isn't one
[09:12]<tml>suv4x4: Creating bogus data is far too domain specific for most people. I doubt anyone's given it enough thought to create a really good abstract one.
[09:12]<mzzcl>suv4x4: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/mysql/2004-q4/4104.html " I've used this technique to fill tables with 10 million
[09:12]<mzzcl>rows of random words."
[09:12]<suv9w9>MarkL thanks
[09:14]<mzzcl>suv4x4: Don't thank me yet, I've just read it more carefully and I'm not sure he actually says how he did it ;)
[09:15]<lxlmrgm>markL: is flash hard to learn?
[09:16]<mzzcl>phpmand: The application itself isn't but it's more of an artists tool than a programmers
[09:16]<lxlmrgm>yea
[09:16]<lxlmrgm>i need to getter better with my design
[09:16]<lxlmrgm>trying to think of ways to improve my design skills
[09:17]<mzzcl>That's why I like the recent uptake of AJAX as you can use big fat graphics and icons ;)
[09:18]<lxlmrgm>yea
[09:18]<lxlmrgm>whats ajax for
[09:19]<rrppygrvnm>wow. have you been living under a rock? ;)
[09:19]<lxlmrgm>lol
[09:19]<lxlmrgm>yea
[09:19]<mzzcl>phpmand: It's so that form submissions are the dull experience they used to be, now you get animations and music
[09:19]<mzzcl>s/are/arn't
[09:20]<mzzcl>'cause pressing a button used to be so problematic
[09:20]<rrppygrvnm>that's not what it is at all.
[09:20]<mzzcl>oh, did i forget the </sarcasm> sorry
[09:20]<jdddd>phpmand: I't s have-ass lame attempt to make static html pages "dynamic" and "fluid-like" in their appearance by using javascript to update portions of a page being viewed with a compliant browse via it's DOM.
[09:21]<rrppygrvnm>that isn't what it is either
[09:21]<mzzcl>caffinated: I was hinting at it's misuse, rather like XML is/was misused
[09:21]<rrppygrvnm>ajax is just a method for making a request that doesn't reload the page.
[09:21]<rrppygrvnm>that's all it is.
[09:21]<mzzcl>It's for asynchronous calls
[09:22]<jdddd>phpmand: But if the w3c would get off it's ass and come up with something OTHER than SGML that's ancient as hell anymore, we would actually have somethign intuitive.
[09:22]<lxlmrgm>yea
[09:22]<mzzcl>...
[09:23]<rrppygrvnm>that's because there is no relationship
[09:23]<jdddd>ajax == html duct tape
[09:23]<rrppygrvnm>i'm not sure what he's on about
[09:23]<mzzcl>Me neither
[09:24]<vygaggv_>ajax hating
[09:24]<jdddd>SGML hating
[09:24]<vygaggv_>heh
[09:25]<mzzcl>This really annoys me, "EyeOS ... operating system"
[09:25]<mzzcl>operating system!!!
[09:26]<z-svzzd-rzv>what about NIC card ;O
[09:26]<rrppygrvnm>heh
[09:27]<mzzcl>Mind you "I write operating systems" sounds better than "I make web sites"
[09:29]<tml>Jymmm: You had some questions for me.
[09:33]<lxlmrgm>looks like database driven websites are more expensive then flash sties
[09:34]<2frgc>How about flash web sites that are database driven?
[09:35]<mzzcl>Or databases that are flash driven
[09:35]<2frgc>Or cars that fly.
[09:36]<lxlmrgm>lol yea
[09:37]<lxlmrgm>database driven websites can be costly, and one thing about website programmer, design firms is that they tell you for something your wnating is aorund 3 grand, but it will always be more heeh
[09:37]<fyvrrn>if you're running an https server and one of the pages being served up via https loads an image from an external site using http, will users' browsers warn that not all of the site/page is https?
[09:38]<2frgc>I might try flash frontend and php+postgresql backend. I don't know if I want to figure out AJAX.
[09:38]<mzzcl>litage: Some browser will, some won't, some might have done but the 'do not warn again' option has been selected
[09:38]<fyvrrn>thanks MarkL
[09:42]<lxlmrgm>i was talking to a web firm, and they told me e-bay paid half millon for there site
[09:42]<lxlmrgm>thats alot
[09:44]<2frgc>That's cheap.
[09:44]<2frgc>I know of a certain site that paid IBM more than a few million for a crappy site.
[09:45]<2frgc>If they wanted changes they had to call up IBM.
[09:46]<zwgyg>blank: thats called vendor lock in ;)
[09:46]<2frgc>This was before PHP was popular so they used something developed by IBM.
[09:47]<2frgc>rwein, pretty much. I chocked when I first heard the price.
[09:47]<tml>blank: A lot of companies have paid Oracle millions of dollars for their slow, buggy, horrible-UI, JSP powered "Oracle Business Suite"
[09:47]<tml>And that's in the past year.
[09:48]<2frgc>Yeah.
[09:48]<tml>So, don't fool yourself into thinking those days are in the past. :)
[09:48]<2frgc>Oh, I just don't choke on the price when I hear it now.
[09:48]<2frgc>Everyone thinks they're going to be ebay. :)
[09:49]<2frgc>Or eBay using MySQL.
[09:49]<lxldrg>lol i was wondering why i kept getting disconnected, and my foot was on the power cord
[09:49]<lxldrg>trying to apply this css to my images someone give me a hand, or guide me in the right direction :)
[09:49]<lxldrg>its for a query outta of mysql
[09:52]<tml>phpman: I'm trying to figure out what CSS has to do with your mysql query...
[09:53]<lxldrg>lol
[09:53]<lxldrg>don't try to hard
[09:53]<lxldrg>TML: well i got my images echo on my page from mysql, but there showing up in the same place
[09:54]<lxldrg>echo "<a href=\"database/".$row['image']."\"><img src=\"database/thumb_".$row['image']."\"<br /></a>
[09:54]<tml>What do you mean "showing up in the same place"?
[09:54]<lxldrg>the links are going into mysql
[09:54]<tml>phpman: You're missing a > on that line, FYI
[09:54]<tml>You never closed <img
[09:54]<lxldrg>tml: i did i just didn't copy it all the way
[09:54]<tml>*shrug*

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