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[00:00]<ajfmnz>why do you speak to yourself ?
[00:00]<ajfmnz>:)
[00:00]<zxnzvnz>you spake to me, i speak to you
[00:00]<ajfmnz>cheater, I'm not talking about you
[00:01]<dzsvzjcnz>colder: thanks =D
[00:02]<ajfmnz>of course the mathematical language is not flawless, everything are based on axioms, which are right until proven wrong.
[00:02]<ajfmnz>s/are/is
[00:03]<wjlllrws>TML: (1/0) - 1 :)
[00:03]<zxnzvnz>axioms can't be proven. that's why they're axioms.
[00:03]<ajfmnz>that's what I'm saying
[00:04]<zxnzvnz>axioms can't be disproven either :p
[00:04]<ajfmnz>who knows ?
[00:04]<zxnzvnz>my logics teacher ;)
[00:04]<zuss_>guys, do any of you know anything about BIND?
[00:05]<tml>russ_: Sure.
[00:05]<rdvxzrwff>russ_, context would help
[00:05]<ajfmnz>you can't prove the opposite now, but you can't be sure, which is the point of axioms.
[00:05]<zuss_>ok - I'm trying to setup a domain, zone file
[00:05]<rdvxzrwff>oh the namespace server
[00:05]<rdvxzrwff>yeah i know that
[00:06]<tml>russ_: ##PHP isn't the right place for bind questions, though.
[00:06]<zuss_>I couldnt find a bind channel :D
[00:06]<wjlllrws>#linux or something
[00:06]<rdvxzrwff>so why is php the logical place to go?
[00:06]<zuss_>er...I know php
[00:06]<zuss_>:S
[00:06]<wjlllrws>cythrawll: It defies logic, that's why :)
[00:06]<zuss_>lol
[00:06]<wjlllrws>o.O
[00:06]<zuss_>sorry guys...
[00:07]<tml>russ_: Make a channel and see if you can get anyone interested in helping with bind to join you there.
[00:07]<zuss_>I'll just carry on googling I think
[00:07]<tml>Who knows, you might become the founder of ##bind and help hundreds of people.
[00:07]<rdvxzrwff>HUNDREDS
[00:07]<zuss_>Anyway - anyone try Zend framework yet?
[00:07]<rdvxzrwff>what about it? I keep a close eye on that project
[00:07]<zzzzdsjac>Hi!?
[00:08]<wjlllrws>TML: *BILLIONS!* :)
[00:08]<rdvxzrwff>im setting up the models and stuff for a page now
[00:08]<zuss_>cool,
[00:08]<zuss_>I was interested in the amazon part
[00:08]<zzzzdsjac><carl sagan mode> Billiouns and Billiouns </carls sagan mode>
[00:08]<zuss_>I used to use amazoop
[00:08]<zxnzvnz>colder: nah, axioms don't work like that. axioms aren't considered themselves, they're considered in sets. if you take a set of statements and decide them to be true (making them axioms), and that setup lets you come to a logical fallacy through logical proof and laws based only on those axioms (or on those laws), then it means there's an axiom that can't work with the others (or a set of axioms that can't work with the others). however, you could easily go
[00:09]<zuss_>anyway, cheers for the help I'm off to google
[00:09]<ajfmnz>cheater, yeah, but the axioms are based on the current state of knowledge
[00:10]<zxnzvnz>nonono :) logics are abstract :)
[00:10]<-- 2yd2nzy xrs fuyv>http://iownmymusic.org/ http://iownmydvds.org/ .")
[00:11]<zzzzdsjac>Are you saying you can decide something is an axiom without prior proof? Can I decide that the moon is made of Blue cheeze as an axium, without contrary proof?
[00:11]<zxnzvnz>that's the beauty of it: logics are abstract and thus logical models don't have the flaws of real objects, which they can however very closely simulate.
[00:11]<zxnzvnz>angrysock: yes. you just go, "let's suppose the moon is made out of blue cheese...." and then you float off in your own bubble
[00:12]<zxnzvnz>that's how a lot of science is made. it's totally made up. only later on people actually figure out it's useful somewhere else.
[00:12]<zzzzdsjac>I see that kind of behavior a lot on the net
[00:12]<zxnzvnz>yeah, but quantum science is actually useful, while the net isn't
[00:13]<zzzzdsjac>tell that to my cat, who is worried about his life expectancy
[00:13]<zxnzvnz>tell him he'll still be there after he dies, just on another energy level
[00:13]<zzzzdsjac>That will take care of lives 1-4
[00:14]<ajfmnz>you could state as an axiom that a tree that falls in a forest with nothing to hear around doesn't make a sound.
[00:14]<zzzzdsjac>That is blue cheeze.
[00:14]<ajfmnz>(:
[00:16]<zxnzvnz>colder: sure you could. there's no problem with such physics, other than that it wouldn't have much application in the real world :)
[00:16]<zxnzvnz>hmm
[00:16]<zzzzdsjac>However you define trees, noise and the total lack of chipmonks to listen to it, your tree comes down, it makes a big vibration.
[00:17]<zxnzvnz>if i do $object = new Class1();, and in __construct of Class1 i have $x=1; $box = new Box();, and in __construct of Class2 i use $x as well, will those clash?
[00:18]<zxnzvnz>angrysock: well no, not if you just define that single axiom
[00:18]<ajfmnz>cheater, the variables are on a different scope
[00:18]<zxnzvnz>it would actually mean that the tree doesn't make any vibration, if there's no-one to notice it
[00:19]<zxnzvnz>colder: that's what i was wondering about, i wasn't sure about methods working exactly like functions
[00:19]<zxnzvnz>thanks
[00:19]<zzzzdsjac>does failure to notice isn't failure to happen.
[00:19]<zzzzdsjac>oops...lost control of my tense
[00:20]<zxnzvnz>yes it is. it's an axiom and it means it's true.
[00:20]<zxnzvnz>by taking up that axiom you've created a very, very weird world colder
[00:21]<ajfmnz>yep, but you would have to define weird ;)
[00:21]<zzzzdsjac>Essentially the reason the tree died and fell down is the world is so cold that nothing vibrates anymore.
[00:21]<dzzznzdjusn>And over use of the word 'axiom' award goes to..
[00:22]<zzzzdsjac>any n00b tollerant power mac users?
[00:22]<zzzzdsjac>I am tearng my hair about something google only confuses me on.
[00:22]<[_ouvrrsv_]>a tree that falls in a forest with no one around to hear it doesnt make "sound" because sound is percieved by people, and if there arent any around to hear the sound, it doesnt make any sound
[00:23]<[_ouvrrsv_]>however, the tree does fall, and make air molecules move in a wave form, that would be percieved as sound if someone had been there to hear it
[00:23]<zzzzdsjac>what is moving, more than the tree anyway, its flat in the ice... is the definition of sound.
[00:24]<zxnzvnz>argh... in posix regex, how do i say "one or zero spaces"?
[00:24]<wjlllrws>"[ ]{0,1}
[00:25]<sgypv>what if the tree hits a squirrel does the sound the squirrel make count?
[00:25]<zzzzdsjac>do physical events take attendence before they happen?
[00:25]<[_ouvrrsv_]>only if there was something around to hear the "sound"
[00:26]<[_ouvrrsv_]>i guess the squirrel might be able to hear the sound....
[00:26]<zzzdjdzvzzzzz_>[_Outcast_]: I don't see you, you must not exist
[00:26]<[_ouvrrsv_]>so. yes ;)
[00:26]<zxnzvnz>oh, wouldn't just a space work, Wolfpaws? like " ?"
[00:26]<zzzzdsjac>Hitchiker's physics
[00:27]<[_ouvrrsv_]>RandomAvenger_: ostriches have that philosophy ;)
[00:27]<wjlllrws>cheater: heh... Try it
[00:27]<zxnzvnz>i should
[00:27]<zxnzvnz>:)
[00:27]<zzzdjdzvzzzzz_>[_Outcast_]: What did you call me?!
[00:28]<zzzzdsjac>The population of the galaxy must be zero, because if you divide the numeber of inhabbited plantes by the total number of planets, the number is so close to zero that it makes no diference, so any actual people you might happen to see and just figments of your overheated immagination
[00:29]<ceredtuw>Ok one last time, can't seem to figure this one out.... would anyone know why this: strtotime('6:00 PM', mktime(0, 0, 0, 7, 1, 2006)) would return a timestamp with the month being 6, and not 7?
[00:29]<zzzdjdzvzzzzz_>angrysock: The wording in the book is better
[00:29]<kdrg>angrysock: s/population/average population/g

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