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[08:34]<vxjznruluvya_>fyrestrtr: heheh
[08:34]<zyvnz>fyrestrtr: My bad, I wasn't clear, original session was an X session from cygwin on another machine
[08:35]<vxjznruluvya_>fyrestrtr: pico is regarded as "non-free" I believe
[08:35]<slzjyrryn>fyrestrtr: dunno that i'd call raw debian polished. well-machined. now ubuntu, that's got polish
[08:35]<vyfarays>fyrestrtr: I have removed SQL from Synaptic 3 times. I am not sure what else is running that I need to remove.
[08:35]<pdznsvzvz>Vilkacis: what do you mean when you say SQL? MySQL or what?
[08:36]<slzjyrryn>fyrestrtr: i used to be solely a kde guy. 6.06 actually converted me back to gnome. now if only nautilus was half as featureful as konq :-/
[08:36]<pdznsvzvz>sproingie: waef, shell > *
[08:36]<zyvnz>varun: fyrestrtr: did the original lost session somehow leave the file locked or something ?
[08:36]<vyfarays>fyrestrtr: Yes, MySQL. I think I somehow installed 2 versions, and the one I cannot remove is conflicting with the current one. It keeps saying I have duplicate users anytime I try to edit the current ones.
[08:36]<slzjyrryn>fyrestrtr: konq has among other things an integrated shell window. best of both worlds, almost
[08:37]<bzjrmrrsv>hey, one last Q
[08:37]<pdznsvzvz>River: could have, look for any hidden .lck files. I'm not sure about gedit, but vim does lock files (of course it warns you about it when you open up the file again)
[08:37]<vxjznruluvya_>fyrestrtr: now if they had symlinked emacs and vi to "ed" *grin* ....
[08:37]<bzjrmrrsv>whats the command for deleting a file
[08:37]<slzjyrryn>Broadcast: rm
[08:37]<bzjrmrrsv>\from the terminal
[08:37]<vyfarays>fyrestrtr: even after I remove MySQL, when I re-install it it says it has to turn off a MySQL database and then turn on a new one, which means there is one running SOMEWHERE that I just don't know how to get rid of.
[08:37]<pdznsvzvz>thoreauputic_: you are a bad, bad man.
[08:37]<vxjznruluvya_>fyrestrtr: mwuhahaha !
[08:37]<pdznsvzvz>Vilkacis: are you removing the mysql client, or server?
[08:37]<slzjyrryn>Broadcast: i recommend that you type 'man intro'
[08:37]<bzjrmrrsv>a directory*
[08:37]<bzjrmrrsv>?
[08:37]<zyvnz>fyrestrtr: sorry, what is the ls command to show hidden files ?
[08:37]<pdznsvzvz>ls -a
[08:38]<vyfarays>fyrestrtr: Server. And common files, each time. And sudo apt-get remove mysql brings up errors because apparently things are using that process.
[08:38]<slzjyrryn>Broadcast: for empty directories, rmdir (just like dos)
[08:38]<slzjyrryn>Broadcast: for directories with files, rm -r
[08:38]<pdznsvzvz>Vilkacis: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop then, sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server, then sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[08:38]<dzjrpzjrrd>is there a way to install the eclipse packages without pulling in all the java development stuff?
[08:38]<xrsrcrgdjf>hi
[08:39]<guyvzzxnzj>hi
[08:39]<slzjyrryn>i always thought it was a hoot that dos had del for files, but rmdir for dirs. why not deldir?
[08:39]<vzyvyud>ironfroggy: if they are dependencies, you'll need them
[08:39]<pdznsvzvz>ironfroggy: well, you need most of it as they are eclipse dependencies.
[08:39]<bzjrmrrsv>ok, now i need some good tutorials to start on linux
[08:40]<pdznsvzvz>Broadcast: start browsing the wiki -- its already bookmarked in firefox.
[08:40]<slzjyrryn>Broadcast: i hate to say it, but there's not a lot of good online tutorials. Linux in a Nutshell is pretty decent for learning commandline stuff
[08:40]<pdznsvzvz>the other good site is tldp.org
[08:40]<vxjznruluvya_>http://tuxfiles.org is good for an intro to cli commands
[08:40]<zyvnz>fyrestrtr: ok, none in the same dir as the file I'm trying to edit
[08:41]<dzjrpzjrrd>tritium: yeah but im saying why are they dependancies? why do i need java development tools just to use something written in java?
[08:41]<bzjrmrrsv>k, thanks alot guys
[08:41]<sxzylxrgy>hmm i just noticed there isnt any trash in xfce
[08:41]<bzjrmrrsv>thanks sproingie
[08:41]<bzjrmrrsv>thanks fyrestrtr
[08:41]<bzjrmrrsv>and i'm out
[08:41]<bzjrmrrsv>:D
[08:41]<vzyvyud>ironfroggy: if they're dependencies, they're needed
[08:41]<vndsnn>hi1
[08:41]<vndsnn>hi :)
[08:41]<vyfarays>fyrestrtr: sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server brings up errors, same as before. It says it cannot lock it.
[08:41]<pdznsvzvz>ironfroggy: because, eclipse is meant to compile and build java apps. You can install eclipse without the eclipse java development components, but I doubt that will cut your download much.
[08:42]<rdgyrrf>anyone have any idea how to get sound on an integrated Intel sound
[08:42]<sxzylxrgy>so w/ever i delete is gone forever
[08:42]<pdznsvzvz>Vilkacis: close synaptic
[08:42]<vndsnn>does anyone here have problems editing etc/apt/source.list?
[08:42]<vyfarays>fyrestrtr: >_>
[08:42]<pdznsvzvz>Cynical: should work out of the box (did on my machine).
[08:42]<slzjyrryn>thoreauputic_: at first glance, the tuxfiles stuff seems pretty didactic, long digressions on terminal emulators and VT's
[08:42]<rdgyrrf>intel what?
[08:42]<pdznsvzvz>intel on board audio. AC'97 chipset.
[08:42]<rdgyrrf>my 945GM chipset is a pain
[08:43]<slzjyrryn>shriphani: there should be a trashcan on the xfce panel, no?
[08:43]<vndsnn>when i try and edit it, all i get is a blank file...it cant seem to find the source.list already in the apt folder
[08:43]<vxjznruluvya_>sproingie: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html is pretty basic and quite helpful
[08:43]<sxzylxrgy>sproingie, no
[08:43]<rdgyrrf>hmm
[08:43]<slzjyrryn>shriphani: huh. funny oversight.
[08:43]<rdgyrrf>wonder where I would find the ac 97 driver
[08:43]<pdznsvzvz>tems99: its sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43]<vndsnn>ok.
[08:43]<pdznsvzvz>Cynical: its part of the kernel, and should be running by default. What problem are you having with sound?
[08:44]<vndsnn>i'll try it out.
[08:44]<vndsnn>thanks.
[08:44]<rdgyrrf>there isn't any
[08:44]<vndsnn>fyrestrtr: thanks
[08:44]<rdgyrrf>plain and simple
[08:44]<dzjrpzjrrd>fyrestrtr: actually the difference was 34/40 down from 130/180 (download/installed sizes), from choosing eclipse-platform-common.
[08:44]<pdznsvzvz>tems99: etc/apt/sources.list -- is looking for etc in the current directory. You need the first /
[08:44]<dzjrpzjrrd>so im saving about 150 megs.
[08:44]<slzjyrryn>thoreauputic_: i'm browsing through it. it's pretty good i guess. i might have been pithier, but i guess no one style fits everyone
[08:44]<pdznsvzvz>Cynical: any at all? or sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't?
[08:44]<vndsnn>fyrestrtr: thanks a lot, booting up ubuntu now to try it out.
[08:44]<rdgyrrf>none at all
[08:45]<vxjznruluvya_>sproingie: yeah, it does go on a bit in places - but it's sound as far as I can see
[08:45]<grvxrga>does anyoenm know how to make the resoluction fillt he screen on laptop atm its in the middle of the screen
[08:45]<pdznsvzvz>Cynical: what does lspic -vv | grep audio show you?
[08:45]<cygr2rfu>booting up ubuntu, cloning the vm .. and booting up a second instance of ubuntu .. all in a gig of disk space .. for testing .. that rocks
[08:46]<slzjyrryn>thoreauputic_: might be a good place to point my coworker who i need to train on basic getting around on the linux dev boxen
[08:46]<pdznsvzvz>ironfroggy: strange, on my system didn't make too much of a difference. Maybe I had some other files installed previously. Careful with eclipse-common -- you might not get the complete IDE with all its features.
[08:46]<slzjyrryn>thoreauputic_: though he's developed a workflow with notepad++ and winscp that's utterly dizzying to me, so maybe i shouldn't tinker with what works :)
[08:46]<zyvnz>ok varun, fyrestrtr I'm stuck but thanks for your help anyway
[08:47]<rdgyrrf>bash: lspic: command not found
[08:47]<pdznsvzvz>sproingie: try tldp.org -- great docs there too
[08:47]<vxjznruluvya_>sproingie: heh
[08:47]<pzzjus>Cynical: lspci
[08:47]<pdznsvzvz>Cynical: sorry, lspci -vv | grep audio
[08:47]<vxjznruluvya_>sproingie: some people recommend http://www.linuxcommand.org/
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